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posted in Universal Energy Scam: Rates Higher than Local PUC
14 February 2008 5:16 PM
illona,
The reason the collection agency is after me is because I put my Electricity into another persons name and quite proudly told UEC that I still lived here and that I disagreed with their re-affirmation policy.
Through this lengthy process I found out from them that if I moved into another dwelling where I didn't pay for electricity, they would let me go free and clear. The early termination fee only applies if you did what I did.
However, they did say I would have to prove that I did in fact move, ie: Drivers Licence, Phone Bill, Pay Stub, something to show that you moved. They also mentioned getting a letter from my new landlord.
If you are in good terms with your parents this may not be too hard. You can just collect some of your mail over there until the smoke blows over. I doubt there going to hire an investigator to watch your movements for $500- $800. It's not like it's Welfare Fraud.
I chose to go the route I did because had I signed the agreement and then re-affirmed it then it would have agreed with "bigtrout". I didn't re-affirm the contract my wife did and to Mr. Trout, i have read the contract several times and no where does it state that anyone in the dwelling above the age of 18 can re-affirm the contract as UEC believes. For starters, it is an application request that under the terms of the consumer protection act is not complete until the consumer re-affirms it. If you read the CPA 2002 you will find that a consumer is defined as an "INDIVIDUAL". Not a collection of adults that dwelling. So in my opinion if you sign the application then you have to be the one to re-affirm it. Plain and simple.
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posted in Universal Energy Scam: Rates Higher than Local PUC
06 February 2008 5:24 PM
I put my account into someone elses name, that does not live in my residence and as you can see from my initial post they will still come after you.
However, UEC claims that if you move and where you go does not require you to purchase electricity, they will let you go. I might add they want proof.
ie. employment record, drivers license, phone bill... If you tell them you are moving into a rental they may even want a letter from your new landlord.
It can be done, but it can get complicated.
I seriously considered it and then I figured screw it, I'm right, they're wrong, and I'm going to fight it.
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posted in Universal Energy Scam: Rates Higher than Local PUC
29 January 2008 7:30 PM
I tried to scam the scammers but they may have got me. Never the less i'm not giving up.
I knowingly signed their agreement at the door with the intent to cancel during re-affirmation.
It's worked in the past.
When i hadn't heard from them, i asked my wife if she had received any calls from these crooks she said, oh yeah maybe, i just told them whatever. if he said he wanted it then go ahead.
As i fell to the floor, i could of cried, it wasn't her fault, i didn't tell her of my plan. I thought they would have to talk to me, after all it was i that signed it.
I immediatley called UEC to rectify the situation and the girl thet answered the phone said it wasn't a problem, that i was already signed up with another supplier and that they could not sign me up anyways.
I have no idea what that was about but accepted it anyways.
a couple of months later I'm getting this rediculous electricity bill.
When I called to explain they basically said, so sad too bad.
To say i was pissed would be putting it mildly.
Here it is January 29. 2008. This started in June of 2006.
I have written emails to UEC, the OEB, the MGS, my MPP, which in turn forwarded my letter to the Minister of Energy, with no real signs of success.
None of these entities really seem to give a sh care. They merely symathize with you. Big Deal.
In my particular case I am arguing the law of "Form of Consent".
The OEB claims that these crooks must abide by the "Consumer Protection Act of 2002"
Which states,
Form of consent
(5) A supplier may rely on a consumer's consent to a material change that is made orally, in writing or by other affirmative action but the supplier shall bear the onus of proving the consumer's consent. 2002, c. 30, Sched. A, s. 13 (5).
A consumer is described as follows,
Interpretation
1. In this Act,
“consumer” means an individual acting for personal, family or household purposes and does not include a person who is acting for business purposes; (“consommateur”)
My interpretation of an individual is a single person. If i signed it then i must re-afirm it.
Furthermore if that fails i have one more,
Ambiguities to benefit consumer
11. Any ambiguity that allows for more than one reasonable interpretation of a consumer agreement provided by the supplier to the consumer or of any information that must be disclosed under this Act shall be interpreted to the benefit of the consumer. 2002, c. 30, Sched. A, s. 11.
I'm sitting here on the eve of doom.
I've received what I believe is my final warning from the Collection agency that these crooks have hired.
Couldn't care a less. I'm prepared to go to the mat on this one. I don't care how much it costs.
I look forward to my day in court. Let the Judge decide.
I'll keep you informed.
Crumb.
She re-affirmed. Said yah what ever he said go ahead.
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